The Next Leg Lower In The S&P 500 May Be Starting

Seeking Alpha2023-01-27

SummaryThe S&P 500 is very expensive on a PE multiple basis.The index is also very expensive relative to the 10-year rate.This is for earnings growth that is deteriorating.The next leg of the bear ...

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andrew123
·2023-01-28
Lile
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ericbqlee
·2023-01-28
😊
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Seah CL
·2023-01-28
K
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T202311701
·2023-01-28
O
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Jason_LSE
·2023-01-28
K
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Pedrigo
·2023-01-27
Can
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OJC
·2023-01-27
Ok
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T202311701
·2023-01-27
哦
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来人
·2023-01-27
Ok
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BKT
·2023-01-27
Pls like thanks
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- andrew123:
  done.like back
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Slee49
·2023-01-27
Ok
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Danielng
·2023-01-27
Good. More fud there is, the more bullish I am
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Jess321
·2023-01-27
Ok
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Mh1234
·2023-01-27
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Pluto891
·2023-01-27
i love conflicting polarising views...
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Karen333
·2023-01-27
The problem with this analysis is that it doesn't consider the fact that the past is not an indication for the future. what is considered expensive in the past may not be in the future.
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MIe
·2023-01-27
Bulls are demand b sentiments
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JQC
·2023-01-27
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