When Will Stocks Drop? Watch Profit Margins (and Get Nervous)

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When Will Stocks Drop? Watch Profit Margins (and Get Nervous)

Bloomberg2021-08-02

The evidence is mounting that companies are having a harder time passing off cost increases to their customers. Want to know where the S&P 500 Index may be headed after reaching another record high? ...

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KTtrader
·2021-08-03
Let’s wait and see
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dan1
·2021-08-03
nice
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dan1
·2021-08-03
[Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
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TimXT
·2021-08-03
Good article. We need do our homework to check whether invest or not
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  Agreed
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STKG
·2021-08-03
Lots of factors cause the drop not only profit margin. Many strategies you can do.
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MightyPooP
·2021-08-03
Dollar cost average and do your research on fundamentals before committing.
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- STKG:
  agree
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PYEO
·2021-08-03
Good article.
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  Thank you.
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Et1502
·2021-08-03
Margin is only one of the many variables to grow a company.
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  good
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- STKG:
  agree
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Cassjo
·2021-08-03
Ok thanks
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兔气扬眉
·2021-08-03
Like n comment
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  Ok
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- JeremyKok:
  hi. please like and comment back. thank you.
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seojun
·2021-08-03
Oh noooo
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replaygoh
·2021-08-03
noted
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KYHBKO
·2021-08-03
long term strategy like dollar cost averaging helps in such cases. if we hold long enough (for stocks with good fundamentals), time will do her compounding magic. in such cases, time in the market is more important than timing the market. happy trading all
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Unknown934
·2021-08-03
Help to like
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Kelvinphan
·2021-08-03
Pls like
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  Help me too
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Limyeesiang
·2021-08-03
Hi
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RoAd
·2021-08-03
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Cedric77
·2021-08-02
Good write up but it difficult to digest!Probably,instead trying to predict from past statistics or AI we shld focus on the fundamental.Gd stock for Long is always a gd investment. Eg. Square,Nividia.
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Generalcarh
·2021-08-02
???‍???‍???‍???‍???‍???‍???‍?$SUNPOWER GROUP LTD.(5GD.SI)$??‍?
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  good counter to hold [强]
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Fern29
·2021-08-02
Great article!
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We need do our homework to check whether invest or not","listText":"Good article. We need do our homework to check whether invest or not","text":"Good article. We need do our homework to check whether invest or not","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":5,"commentSize":1,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/804859753","repostId":1196763976,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"comments":[{"id":5410647,"gmtCreate":1627963335901,"gmtModify":1663231854441,"authorId":3575091423649914,"author":{"id":3575091423649914,"authorId":3575091423649914,"name":"kungpao","avatar":"https://community-static.tradeup.com/news/3904bf5c3c5393beefe5723e093c3303","vip":1,"currentWearingBadge":{"badgeId":"1026c425416b44e0aac28c11a0848493-2","templateUuid":"1026c425416b44e0aac28c11a0848493","name":"Senior Tiger","description":"Join the tiger community for 1000 days","bigImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/0063fb68ea29c9ae6858c58630e182d5","smallImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/96c699a93be4214d4b49aea6a5a5d1a4","grayImgUrl":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/35b0e542a9ff77046ed69ef602bc105d","redirectLinkEnabled":0,"hasAllocated":1,"isWearing":1,"stampPosition":0,"hasStamp":0,"allocationCount":1,"allocatedDate":"2023.10.29","individualDisplayEnabled":0,"individualDisplaySort":0,"categoryType":1001},"crmLevel":7,"crmLevelSwitch":0,"individualDisplayBadges":[]},"repliedAuthorId":0,"objectId":804859753,"type":1,"supId":0,"prevId":0,"content":"<p>Agreed</p>","text":"<p>Agreed</p>","html":"<p>Agreed</p>"}],"langContent":"EN"},{"id":804163356,"gmtCreate":1627946143375,"gmtModify":1703498182955,"author":{"id":"3586131488444401","authorId":"3586131488444401","name":"STKG","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/730c2482b43ac1909a601868b378a6e4","vip":1,"crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":0},"htmlText":"Lots of factors cause the drop not&nbsp;only profit margin. Many strategies you can do.&nbsp;","listText":"Lots of factors cause the drop not&nbsp;only profit margin. Many strategies you can do.&nbsp;","text":"Lots of factors cause the drop not only profit margin. Many strategies you can do.","images":[],"top":1,"highlighted":1,"essential":1,"paper":1,"likeSize":4,"commentSize":0,"repostSize":0,"link":"https://ttm.financial/post/804163356","repostId":1196763976,"repostType":4,"isVote":1,"likeStatus":false,"favoriteStatus":false,"reportStatus":false,"tweetType":1,"langContent":"EN"},{"id":804184494,"gmtCreate":1627945889718,"gmtModify":1703498177994,"author":{"id":"3575163551534398","authorId":"3575163551534398","name":"MightyPooP","avatar":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/aec66d00ca2b1f2b75412008d93edd14","vip":1,"hat":"https://static.tigerbbs.com/f84859c65fc2d7681e28f6b8e9b0535a","crmLevel":2,"crmLevelSwitch":1},"htmlText":"Dollar cost average and do your research on fundamentals before committing.","listText":"Dollar cost average and do your research on fundamentals before committing.","text":"Dollar cost average and do your research on fundamentals before 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