林园："消费估值过高"判断是错的，茅台比黄金值得投资

证券市场红周刊2020-12-27

核心观点：我们目前处在牛市初期，趋势投资的常识是，当所有人都挣钱了，才是牛市顶部出现的标志。中国的消费品、医药行业内会诞生“下一个茅台”，因为中国有14亿人口基数，但中国的消费品公司的销售额目前远低于海外同类市场。5G通讯、人工智能、新能源等领域也会诞生大牛股，这些是改变我们生活的公司，但是操作起来风险较大，在这些行业内我会控制风险，通过可转债迂回进场。牛市初期不怕赶顶，上涨趋势一旦形成就很难...

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nomore
·2020-12-27
你投你的，我投我的，吹什麼吹
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CKmelt
·2020-12-27
我們有全球四分之一的人口？
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  终于等到了您的初发帖[比心][比心]发帖时关联相关股票或者相关话题，可以获得更多曝光哦～如果您想创作优质文章，请查看老虎社区创作指引
  2020-12-27
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haidaer
·2020-12-27
酒壯熊人膽，剛喝完茅臺就來瞎逼逼
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美国旅游团
·2020-12-27
如果高位接盤被套，這輩子是不可能解套的
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BrotherDeng
·2020-12-27
哈哈哈！都快2021年了，還在說這種鬼話！實現中華民族偉大復興，實現中國製造2052，是靠醬香型科技還是靠濃香型科技呢？
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- 陈友谅:
  都可以强国，而且强身。
  2021-02-02
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谋定而后动
·2020-12-27
如果所有的人都賺錢了，那麼誰在虧錢呢？中國的股市，大多年來，無論熊市還是牛市，都遵循着7虧2平1賺的永恆規律。
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- 王二哥:
  而有得
  2020-12-28
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丹睿
·2020-12-27
好
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皇家LV
·2020-12-27
說的很對、很實在、主要主要克服人性的弱點
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辛巴2008
·2020-12-27
你這不是和新華網對着幹嗎？找人接盤？
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Ratman
·2020-12-27
Nice sharing
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优惠二百
·2020-12-27
牛市岀期，出貨期
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简单生活888
·2020-12-27
說說你對這篇新聞的看法...
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精研
·2020-12-27
有水準！
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小皮皮猫
·2020-12-27
因爲你有持倉
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我爱我的梦
·2020-12-27
學習，感謝林大師！
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毛师傅爱毛票
·2020-12-27
林大頭，現在想着你們去接盤[笑哭]
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25d459fd
·2020-12-27
今天這裏來了這麼多人，每次看到這麼多人我就高興，因爲沒有你們捧場，中國股市哪來那麼多成交量呢！這句話是重點
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- 哦买噶啦:
  哈哈，因为有可以开心割韭菜了[开心]
  2020-12-27
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Gavinli7
·2020-12-27
中國巴菲特
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James伟杰
·2020-12-27
還可以再買？
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如期而至
·2020-12-27
講得對，美股大多數都賺錢，頂部要來了，繼續向上走十年。
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