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Investors love to boast about their great stock picks, but beware of those who use fancy math to calculate their gains

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As you can see from this chart, their expected ranks in the successive years were very close to the 50 percentile, regardless of their performance in the initial year.\n\nThe only exception came for newsletters in the bottom 10% for first-year return. The average second-year percentile ranking was 38.8--significantly below what you'd expect if performance were a matter of pure luck. In other words, it's a decent bet that one year's worst adviser will have a below-average performance in the subsequent year too.\nWhat these results mean: While investment advisory performance is not a matter of pure randomness, the deviations from randomness primarily occur among the worst performers--not the best. Unfortunately that doesn't help us to beat the market.\nBy the way, don't think that you can wriggle out from these conclusions by arguing that other kinds of advisers are better than newsletter editors. At least in regards to the persistence (or lack thereof) between past and future performance, newsletter editors are no different than managers of mutual funds, ETFs, hedge funds and private-equity funds.\nBeware of arrogance\nWhile I believe the data are conclusive, I'm not holding my breath that it will persuade many of you to throw in the towel and go with an index fund. That's because the typical investor all too often believes that the poor odds of beating the market apply to everyone else but not to him individually.\nIt reminds me of the famous study in which almost all of us indicate we're better-than-average drivers.\nThis arrogance has obviously dangerous consequences on our roads and highways. But it's dangerous in the investment arena as well because it leads investors into incurring greater and greater risks.\nThat creates a downward spiral: When the arrogant investor starts losing to the market, which inevitably happens sooner or later, he pursues an even riskier strategy to make up for his prior loss. That in turn invariably leads him to suffer even greater losses. And the cycle repeats.\nThe temptation of arrogance is particularly evident when it comes to social media. Psychologists have found that younger investors are far more inclined to pursue risky strategies when they are being watched than when operating alone. This helps to explain the bravado that so frequently is exhibited on investment-focused social media platforms.\nBuying and holding an index fund is boring. Adherents are rarely drawn to social media in the first place, and even if they are, they rarely post that they are continuing to hold the same investment they've had for years.\nBeware of this trick, too\nA similar dynamic leads those who frequent social media to brag about their spectacular winners while ignoring their losers. One frequent way they do it is to annualize their returns from a short-term trade and then boast about that figure. Imagine a stock that goes from $10 to $11 in a week's time. In itself, that doesn't seem particularly remarkable. On an annualized basis, however, that is equivalent to a gain of more than 14,000%.\nReaders of these social media boasts initially must believe they are the only ones with a mixture of both winning and losing trades. 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