Nearly a 100 billion huge loss! Buffett: Would it be different if options were involved in this?"

"If there comes a day when even the stock god Buffett faces a massive loss, the market might truly be in a tough spot!“

Unfortunately, that day has arrived. Just recently, in the third-quarter financial report disclosed by Berkshire Hathaway, Warren Buffett's conglomerate, it was revealed that the company incurred a net loss of $12.77 billion (approximately ¥932 billion) in the third quarter of 2023. This marks the first quarterly loss for the company this year, following a net profit of $35.91 billion in the second quarter. Additionally, investment losses in the third quarter amounted to $24.1 billion (approximately ¥175.9 billion).

It is reported that a major factor contributing to Buffett's portfolio losses is the substantial holding in Apple Inc., whose stock price experienced a decline of 11.61% overall in the third quarter.

However, when Buffett famously bottom-fished Coca-Cola using a 'Sell Put' strategy, he achieved legendary success. Considering this, if he had employed an options strategy to hedge risk during this period of Apple stock decline, what would have been the outcome for the third quarter?

To simulate the results of an options strategy, let's first examine what kind of options strategy Buffett should have employed in this scenario."

"What strategy should Buffett use when the stock price falls?

For Buffett's long positions, there are generally two applicable options strategies: Protective Put and Covered Call.

Let's start with the Protective Put. Essentially, it involves buying a put option on top of holding the stock. Since the greatest risk for long stock positions is a decline in stock price, the most suitable strategy for hedging this risk using options is the Protective Put. We discussed this strategy in detail in a previous article on options strategies - "Option Strategies Every Stock Investor Must Know." In the event of a stock price drop, the profits from the purchased put option can help offset the losses from the declining stock price.

Of course, some may be concerned about potential losses if the stock price rises instead of falling. The answer is no—the loss from buying a put option is limited to the premium paid. If the stock price rises, the future gains will be the difference between the profit from the rising stock price and the premium paid for the put option, resulting in a net profit in practical terms.

Next is the Covered Call strategy. In this strategy, one sells a call option on stocks already owned to receive the premium, thereby increasing the overall portfolio income. When the stock price falls, the full amount of the premium from the call option can be obtained. While it may not completely offset the losses from the falling stock price, selecting an appropriate strike price for the call option can enhance overall portfolio income regardless of market direction.

Now, let's backtest the impact of these two strategies on Buffett's portfolio returns.

If Buffett had employed options, what would have been the outcome?

Taking the Protective Put strategy as an example, which involves buying a put option on top of holding the stock.

Let's assume that the overall loss from Apple in the third quarter for Buffett's portfolio was 11%. Based on the current stock price, this would mean a drop from around $187 to approximately $164 after three months. The quoted price for an at-the-money put option expiring on February 16, three months later, is $7.75, with a delta coefficient of -0.505. This implies that approximately two put option contracts per Apple share would be needed for hedging purposes (1/0.505≈2)."

"We consider one share of Apple stock and two put option contracts as one unit of combination. The profit and loss scenario for this combination is as follows:

If, after three months, Apple's stock price drops to $164, the profit from the two put options would be (190 - 164 - 7.75) * 2 = $36.5. This profit offsets the $23 loss from the stock price drop, resulting in a net profit of $13.5 for the unit combination.

It's important to note that the only risk for this combination is if the stock price rises after three months. In such a case, the unit combination could incur a loss. The worst-case scenario is if the stock price rises to $190. At this point, the loss from the premium of the two put option contracts would be $7.75 * 2 = $15.5, offsetting the $3 profit from the stock price increase. The net loss for the combination would be $12.5. However, the maximum profit is theoretically unlimited. When the stock price rises to $202.5, the combination breaks even, and above $202.5, the combination realizes a net profit. Therefore, $12.5 can be considered as the insurance cost for Buffett's stock holding.

If the covered call strategy is employed, meaning selling a call option on top of holding the stock, what would be the effect?

Firstly, there is the issue of the strike price for the sold call option. If we choose a call option with a strike price of $205 expiring on February 16, as before, each contract generates a premium income of $2, with a delta coefficient of 0.216. Each unit combination is composed of one share of stock and five call option contracts."

"If, after three months, Apple's stock price drops to $164, the five call option contracts generate a premium income of $10, offsetting the $23 loss from the stock. The final net loss for the combination is $13. In this scenario, Buffett would only need to endure a loss of around 5%.

If, after three months, the stock price rises, as long as the final stock price is below the strike price of $205, the call option contracts can add $10 in profit to the entire combination. However, if the price rises above $205, the losses from the call option contracts might exceed the gains from the stock, so the strategy requires dynamic adjustments, such as reducing the number of contracts or closing positions midway.

In summary, implementing option strategies can effectively hedge portfolio risks and increase returns. It's essential to thoroughly study the secrets of options. If you find this article helpful, feel free to share and comment. There are rewards in the comments section!"

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  • 会有一些差别但是差别不会太大,即便巴菲特依旧使用卖出call进行对冲的方式,也多赚不了多少,还有不少税,因为巴菲特的一些持仓,比如可口可乐,其期权价格中的时间价值很低。
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  • icycrystal
    ·2023-11-17
    thank you for sharing this article on two applicable options strategies: Protective Put and Covered Call
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  • icycrystal
    ·2023-11-17
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    @Aqa @GoodLife99 @Universe宇宙 @rL @Zarkness @LMSunshine @koolgal @Shyon @HelenJanet
    Buffett famously bottom-fished Coca-Cola using a 'Sell Put' strategy, he achieved legendary success.

    If you find this article helpful, feel free to share and comment. There are rewards in the comments section!"

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  • AliceSam
    ·2023-11-17
    卖Call可以拉低一点风险,但也有可能会卖飞了股票啊。
    买Put保护一下,是不错,就是成本💰有点高[捂脸]
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  • koolgal
    ·2023-11-17
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    @ocean_wave @HelenJanet @AlpineSnow @bluesky @GoodLife99 please join me in this exciting event to learn about Options specially curated by @Tiger_Academy
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  • koolgal
    ·2023-11-17
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    🌟🌟🌟There are 2 main strategies that I learn today if my stock price fall Protective Put and Covered Call.  They will minimise my risks and maybe even make me a small profit.
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  • koolgal
    ·2023-11-17
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    @MeowKitty @Derrick_1234 @Thonyaunn @CL_Wong @rL @Success88 please join me in this exciting event to win more Tiger Coins 😍😍😍
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    • Success88
      Thanks for sharing
      2023-11-17
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  • MHh
    ·2023-11-17
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    Come learn about protective put and covered call strategies to minimise loss even if stock prices drop @DiAngel @Success88 @rL @Universe宇宙 @SR050321 @Kaixiang @Fenger1188 @HelenJanet @SPOT_ON
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  • rL
    ·2023-11-17
    Thank u @Tiger_Academy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
    @Shyon @Universe宇宙 @Jadenkho @GoodLife99 @Fenger1188
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  • LMSunshine
    ·2023-11-17
    Implementing option strategies can effectively hedge portfolio risks and increase returns. For long positions, we can use Protective Put and Covered Call. Thank loads @Tiger_Academy 💜💜💜 your teaching posts❣️
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  • LMSunshine
    ·2023-11-17
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    🐯🐯🐯 Come learn and comment for 🐯🪙❣️For Protective Put, we buy a put option on top of holding the stock to hedge our long positions from a decline in stock price. For the Covered Call strategy, we sell a call option on stocks already owned to receive the premium, thereby increasing the overall portfolio income. When the stock price falls, the full amount of the premium from the call option can be obtained.
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  • HoracleR
    ·2023-11-17
    Good article, options are a great tool and gives the oppotunity to hedge portfolios. It is important to assess the overall risk picture, inclufing those under uncertain economic environments to avoid big losses.
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  • Khikho
    ·2023-11-17
    我觉得他们团队应该是做过这种预测,也有过对冲策略,可能策略不大跟得上变化而已
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  • TimothyX
    ·2023-11-17
    讓我們從保護性看跌期權開始。本質上,它包括在持有股票的基礎上購買看跌期權。由於多頭股票頭寸的最大風險是股價下跌,使用期權對衝這種風險的最合適策略是保護性看跌期權。我們在上一篇關於期權策略的文章中詳細討論過這個策略——“每個股票投資者都必須知道的期權策略”。在股價下跌的情況下,購買看跌期權的利潤可以幫助抵消股價下跌的損失。

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  • TLim
    ·2023-11-18
    If Warren Buffett sells covered calls on Apple shares, it may signal to investors that Apple shares are overpriced above his strike price. It's definitely a good strategy to earn some premium if we would like to sell our shares at certain strike price. [smile]
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  • RS69
    ·2023-11-18
    Nice demonstration to explain how the option strategy can reduce the loss. Mr. Buffet is an option expert so that we believe he should use option to manage the risk of his investment. Also the loss may be the paper loss as Buffet buy Apple share at lower price than today's Apple share price.
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  • Universe宇宙
    ·2023-11-18
    If you find this article helpful, feel free to share and comment. There are rewards in the comments section!"

    @Shyon @icycrystal @melson @MHh @Bons @LMSunshine @Mrzorro @Aqa @rL @HelenJanet @SirBahamut @GoodLife99 @pekss

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  • Choy Tiger
    ·2023-11-18
    the strategy I employed before the release of earnings is sell a call with strike price higher and longer expiry date to collect premium first. After announcement, if it goes down, the premium collected will be offset against the price drop. if it goes up above strike price, will rollover the call to continue to collect premium until the call expire with zero value.
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  • WonderElephant
    ·2023-11-18
    I like the covered call strategy as it’s income generating and acts as a hedge for current holdings should the share price fall! Thanks @Tiger_Academy for the coins!
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  • Aqa
    ·2023-11-19
    Implementing option strategies can effectively hedge portfolio risks and increase returns. For Buffett's long positions, there are generally two applicable options strategies: Protective Put and Covered Call.
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